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PCPs are firearms (was - Airgun Storage Facilities)
« on: November 07, 2013, 05:19:23 PM »
One of the questions asked by prospective competitors of the World FT Champs has been about approved secure storage of their Rifle.

Interestingly, although it is necessary to prove you have secure storage in order to acquire a FAL, there is nothing in the new regulations that requires you to store your especially dangerous (or any other) airgun in said storage.

The Regulations appear to be entirely mute about the storage of airguns (other than while transporting) and only mention Firearms.
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Re: Airgun Storage Facilities
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2013, 06:04:37 PM »
there is also no mention of needing a FAL for pcps... could this be yet another expensive blunder?

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Re: Airgun Storage Facilities
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2013, 06:20:54 PM »
i daresay the interpretation will be that, as a pcp requires a fal, they require the same security measures.

Dont ask the cops though, theyre busy having their pork roasts busted.

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Re: Airgun Storage Facilities
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2013, 06:46:06 PM »
NOTHING TO DO WITH STORAGE FACILITIES BUT PORK ROAST BUSTS.

Now isn't that convenient that the Police are the butt of media attention today. A resurrected story with the minister of Police waxing hard.  Maybe the Police did what was possible under the law -- maybe not but we do not know. At least it gives an opportunity for the minister to be seen.
It put the debacle of the the rail ferry on the back row when in fact the rail ferry has nearly been capsized twice - lost power in a storm and ended up in Cloudy Bay- had a cost over-run of $10m for a refurb and a government enquiry into the overrun which has never been made public. Wonder why!!! Furthermore it had a bow that was not strong enough to cope with its' operating conditions and had to be replaced. Could it be that the old boys network is operating again? There is one other puzzling coincidence that relates to the Aratere that I chose not to disclose. If that shaft had broken further up  or if the propeller had gashed the hull maybe she would have gone down. Maybe it was lucky the Aratere was not entering into Cook Strait in a 50 knot southerly!
The Aratere had two more engines fitted so that must have made more power available for the propulsion engines. Did they upgrade the propshafts and or the propellers?
 
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Re: PCPs are firearms (was - Airgun Storage Facilities)
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 06:59:29 PM »
there is also no mention of needing a FAL for pcps... could this be yet another expensive blunder?


Actually on looking further, it seems that in fact "firearm" has been redefined to include "specially dangerous airgun" :(

firearm—
(a)means anything from which any shot, bullet, missile, or other projectile can be discharged by force of explosive; and
(b)includes—
(i)anything that has been adapted so that it can be used to discharge a shot, bullet, missile, or other projectile by force of explosive; and
(ii)anything which is not for the time being capable of discharging any shot, bullet, missile, or other projectile but which, by its completion or the replacement of any component part or parts or the correction or repair of any defect or defects, would be a firearm within the meaning of paragraph (a) or subparagraph (i); and
(iii)anything (being a firearm within the meaning of paragraph (a) or subparagraph (i)) which is for the time being dismantled or partially dismantled; and
(iv)any specially dangerous airgun


and

specially dangerous airgun— means any airgun declared by the Governor-General, by Order in Council made under section 4, to be a specially dangerous airgun

Arms Act 2. Interpretation

So if that is the case, all Firearm legislation and regulation applies to specially dangerous airgun.
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Re: PCPs are firearms (was - Airgun Storage Facilities)
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 07:10:58 PM »
And here is the latest order that declares all pre charged pneumatic airguns to be specially dangerous airguns:

specified pre-charged pneumatic air rifles means pre-charged pneumatic air rifles that are not for use in airsoft or paintball sports.

and

(2) Specified pre-charged pneumatic air rifles are declared to be specially dangerous airguns.


Arms (Restricted Weapons and Specially Dangerous Airguns) Order 1984
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Re: PCPs are firearms (was - Airgun Storage Facilities)
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 07:23:20 PM »
Then there has been this consequential amendment:

The definition of specified pre-charged pneumatic air rifles in clause 1A is amended by omitting “that are not for use in airsoft or paintball sports” and substituting “, other than airguns that are designed for use in airsoft or paintball sports and are in the same configuration as when they were manufactured”.

Part 2 Consequential amendments
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Re: PCPs are firearms (was - Airgun Storage Facilities)
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2013, 07:56:12 PM »
And there we have it.. Clear as mud as always.. ::)

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Re: PCPs are firearms (was - Airgun Storage Facilities)
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2015, 09:22:48 PM »
so if they aren't " in the same configuration as when they were manufactured”; they're ok....
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Re: PCPs are firearms (was - Airgun Storage Facilities)
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2015, 09:42:46 PM »
Or, if your'e a really bad shot, the gun isn't deemed dangerous.  ::)
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Re: PCPs are firearms (was - Airgun Storage Facilities)
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2015, 11:54:00 AM »
This might be a dumb question but I havent managed to find an answer anywhere else, maybe there isnt one...

But what is the actual definition of a PCP rifle or an especially dangerous air rifle?
Do the powers that be have a list of guns that they arbitrarily put in this category or is there a criterion such as projectile energy?

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Re: PCPs are firearms (was - Airgun Storage Facilities)
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2015, 01:54:56 PM »
This might be a dumb question but I havent managed to find an answer anywhere else, maybe there isnt one...

But what is the actual definition of a PCP rifle or an especially dangerous air rifle?
Do the powers that be have a list of guns that they arbitrarily put in this category or is there a criterion such as projectile energy?
Fill it with pressurized air and it's a PCP.